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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.)

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct page if you tried to move a page, and you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:".

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the top of the list, filling in pages and reason:
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason=reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

Administrator needed

Contested technical requests

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

To request a single page move, click on the "New section" tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 27 November 2021" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the article:

Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

Note that the |1= unnamed parameter is not used, and that the |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 27 November 2021

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 21:06, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 27 November 2021

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 21:06, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 27 November 2021

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 21:06, 27 November 2021‎ (UTC)

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Any additional comments:

This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 27 November 2021

– why Example (talk) 21:06, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 27 November 2021

– why Example (talk) 21:06, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Commenting on a requested move

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting can be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures). When a discussion has been relisted a bot partially underlines the "Discuss" link in the lists of debates: (Discuss).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.


  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 55 discussions have been relisted, indicated by (Discuss)

November 27, 2021

  • (Discuss)1971 shooting of Dallas police officers1971 Dallas shooting of sheriff's deputies – Per WP:CONCISE and WP:DIFFCAPS. None of the officers directly involved in the primary incident were with the Dallas Police Department, and the Ellis County deputies were technically outside of their jurisdiction, so they were not Dallas officers in either an official or an informal sense (and were presumably accompanied by Dallas County deputies for this exact reason). Although the current title is spelled "Dallas police" rather than "Dallas Police", this is insufficiently concise to convey at a glance that no Dallas Police Department officers were involved. Carguychris (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)ǁHusOwela – The current title, ǁhus, is the Khoekhoe word for the game. Owela is the Ovambo word for the game. The few English language sources that exist (see below) tend to prefer Owela (which isn't surprising since Ovambo is a much more widely spoken language, especially in Namibia where the game is played). Also, ǁhus doesn't make a good title since it doesn't use the Latin alphabet (it begins with a double vertical bar), leading to broken links like the one I found at Omweso. Wikipedia:Article titles strongly discourages titles not written in the Latin alphabet. Nosferattus (talk) 19:37, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Minecraft moddingMinecraft mod'Minecraft mod' is more natural, and suggests that the topic is about mods themselves, rather than the current title, which suggests a practice or activity of modding (e.g. running). SWinxy (talk) 03:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)TD BankTD Bank (disambiguation) – I believe "TD Bank" should be at the very least a primary redirect to Toronto-Dominion Bank based on long-term significance. Everything else on the disambiguation page is a current or former subsidiary of Toronto-Dominion (TD) Bank. So it should be somewhat similar to how T-Mobile is about the main global company/brand and T-Mobile US is about the U.S. subsidiary (even though the U.S. subsidiary is doing business under the global brand name). Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

November 26, 2021

  • (Discuss)Great West Road, Zambia → ? – This road has actually never been referred to as the Great West Road from any source and as such, the name Great West Road has been deemed not acceptable by some. Chils Kemptonian (talk) 22:07, 13 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. FOARP (talk) 21:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Stadion Śląski, ChorzówStadion Śląski – The article should get the name "Stadion Śląski". Why? This is the COMMONNAME for the stadium, all stadiums are named in Polish, the city name is unnecessary (and if it were, it should be in parentheses). Rossow99 (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)POLYGON experimentPolygon experiment – The all-caps isn't used in the Physics Today cited source, and there is no clear justification for it. It also doesn't appear to be all-capped in the Kort & Samoĭlenko cited source and is not consistently all-capped in the Kuh Kim Ph.D. thesis. The proposed target name already redirects to the same topic, and has ever since it and the article were created more than ten years ago. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 06:33, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

November 25, 2021

  • (Discuss)Sexual slavery in IslamFemale slavery and concubinage in the Muslim world – Following extensive prior discussion on the talk page, I think the time is ripe for broaching the long overdue renaming of this page to something more precise and representative. The proposed change in the switch from "in Islam" to "in the Muslim world" has been advocated for on the basis of the fact the article is largely composed of historic examples in specific places, i.e.: within the Muslim world, whereas "in Islam" suggests some sort of purely religious discussion, which is already covered by the likes of Islamic views on slavery, Islamic views on concubinage, et cetera. The proposed shift from "sexual slavery" to "Female slavery and concubinage" follows the logic of a number of experienced Wikipedia editors, such as Bookku and Nishidani, who have noted, among other things, that: Female slavery was a a fluid concept within the historic Muslim world, so there was little distinction between female slaves in general and slaves specifically used for sexual purposes. In many sources, it is almost impossible to distinguish between statements about female slaves in general and those referring specifically to female slaves used for sex. In other sources, the term surriyya is often commonly translated as "concubine", and there are numerous sources that mainly use this term, particularly for the later history, such as regarding the harem structures of the Ottoman Empire, where concubinage took on quite a different meaning from simply "female slaves used for sex". The two terms are therefore both common names for different aspects of the topic and with subtly distinct meanings in many historical settings. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:18, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
    — Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 20:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Joanne CalderwoodJoanne Wood – It's exactly the same situation as Nina Nunes. The fighter got married and decided to change her maiden name, effetive of her last fight as the UFC has billed her as such, and several other sources including Sherdog and ESPN go by her new name. User:EvertonFC19 made a move that was reverted by User:Cassiopeia, using the same reasons she used last time (Even though they don't make sense). Obviously it looks like the same path will be taken again. Please let's not make a big deal. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 20:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

November 24, 2021

  • (Discuss)Andalusian classical musicAndalusi classical music – "Andalusia" and "al-Andalus" are not the same. The current title is a big inaccuracy. While the music of Andalusia is influenced by that of al-Andalus, they are also clearly distinct. A previous RM about this was closed as no consensus, but I see nobody opposed to the change from Andalusian to Andalusi. Only one user, Solidest, opposed to removing "classical" from the title, which two other users objected to. Thus, at the very least, this article should be renamed to "Andalusi classical music". "Music of al-Andalus" could also be an option, but this genre has been alive for centuries now outside of what is now Spain. Super Ψ Dro 17:08, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The Noble FamilyNosotros los Nobles – Or Nosotros Los Nobles. Alternatively, the other English title We Are the Nobles can be used if consensus agrees with it. However, if there's no consensus on using either English title, then per WP:DIVIDEDUSE, one of the titles (English or Spanish) must be "least surprising". or If most reliable sources use the Spanish title, then let's use the original Spanish title instead. George Ho (talk) 23:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC); expanded, 01:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 14:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mount Watkin / HikaroroaMount Watkin – A section regarding dual naming was recently removed from the New Zealand Naming Conventions, and following its removal, policy and guidelines no longer support the article being at this title - the current title fails most of WP:CRITERIA, including being natural (the "common name") and being concise. Evidence for this is that Ngrams shows no use for any name other than "Mount Watkin"; the fact it doesn't register any use for "Hikaroroa" should address concerns that we are missing the dual name being used in other forms. This is reinforced by Google News results; when the entity is referenced "Mount Watkin" or similar is the preferred form; "Mt Watkin" is used four times, "Mt Watkins" is used at least twice, and "Mount Watkins" is used at least once. In contrast, a dual name is only used twice (as "Mt Watkin-Hikaroa Reserve" and "Hikaroroa/Mount Watkins Scenic Reserve"), while "Hikaroroa" is only used once. No objection to moving to "Mt Watkin" rather than "Mount Watkin", should consensus prefer the shorter form. When considering other sources, it is worth noting that many sources, both government and non-government, are required by law to use the official name, and so don't meet the WP:COMMONNAME requirement for "independent" sources; I have written up a draft containing additional details of this at NZGB Independent Sources BilledMammal (talk) 02:15, 16 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 13:06, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

November 23, 2021

  • (Discuss)Santa Claus paradeChristmas parade – such parades do not need, and do not always have a Santa. Santa may also not be called Santa either (ie. Father Winter, Father Christmas, etc). Or Black Peter without Santa, a parade with Elves or Mrs. Claus without Santa, etc. -- (talk) 22:04, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Diego Jota → ? – The name should be either "Diego Jota Martins" or something else, let's discuss which is better. I was not certain if the recent move was correct or not since I don't know much about the player but sources given suggests this move may have been incorrect. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 19:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Aleph (Japanese cult)Aum Shinrikyo – Previously moved without discussion by a now-banned user. Aum Shinrikyo renamed itself to Aleph in 2000 ([34]) and split into two groups in 2007. Nonetheless, it continues to be more often referred to by its original name (see the mentions in the references of the article - 46 mentions of Aum, only 6 of Aleph). Most of the article is about events before the renaming, when it was still known as Aum. "Aum Shinrikyo" does not require additional disambiguation like "Aleph" does. Rublov (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kevin Peterson dos Santos SilvaKevin (footballer, born 1997) – Goes simply by Kevin professionally. I don't think there are any other pages with the name Kevin (footballer), but since there are other players with the name Kevin XYZ (footballer), I figure I'd add the year, plus there is also a separate Kevin Silva who goes with both names and has the same first and last name as this player. RedPatch (talk) 16:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Junípero Serra Catholic High SchoolJSerra Catholic High School – Page moved without discussion away from the proposed title by Cristiano Tomás in January, claiming "only recently been used in marketing materials", but it appears to be the common and official name of this institution. Internally, it seems to be only used for the road to the school and in mentions of the saint [35]. Universally referred to in the news media as JSerra: [36], [37] [38]. Only references to "Junipero Serra High School" are from the very early years/construction process. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 07:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Free (gratis) beer → ? – The current name is just a placeholder to distinguish the article from other articles. A better name is needed, but what name? Free beer is a disambiguation page and Free Beer is a specific brand of beer. Freibier (a direct copy of the name of the German article de:Freibier) would be too Germany-specific. Feel free to suggest a better name. JIP | Talk 02:13, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)K-9 (TV series)K9 (TV series) – Correcting title to match K9 (Doctor Who). For over four decades, the character has been consistently named K9 in official sources. Secondary sources are mixed – especially if parent show Doctor Who is involved – but within this series itself, there is no use of "K-9" whatsoever, as John Leeson is credited as "Voice of K9". O.N.R. (talk) 00:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

November 22, 2021

  • (Discuss)Congregational mosqueFriday mosque – This page was renamed in March from Jama masjid to Congregational mosque based mainly on the desire to render the Arabic term into English, but the discussion, which unfortunately drew just two editors, was not exactly a shining example of broad consensus. I would like to re-open this and argue that, of the two principle academic translations for masjid al-jami, Friday mosque and the current Congregational mosque, we we should be favouring the former, based primarily on it being a more natural and concise term. A broad survey of the Google Scholar sources shows: 5,670 results for "Friday mosque" [39] and only 3,020 results for "congregational mosque" [40]. The Google books Ngram viewer also presents substantially more evidence of the use of "Friday mosque" [41] compared to "congregational mosque" [42]. This cursory approach aside, "Friday mosque" is clearly the simpler term, while "congregational" is a complete mouthful and obviously not something anyone ever says out loud outside of the dusty tomes of highly specialised academic literature. (To be honest, there is an equally good argument to be made that this page does not need to exist at all, since most mosques are for Friday prayers or "congregational", just in the same way that most churches are for holding congregations, i.e.: are "congregational, but for the moment this is by the by.) I open the question of the renaming to the floor. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:48, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)University Towne Center stationUTC Transit Center – Move to correct and actual name. Original Mall name is no longer relevant, All signage is signed as UTC Transit Center . I will leave an image as proof, as it is referred in this matter in fact sheets, in the same way as other stations with naming rights. AirTSC (talk) 02:42, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)24 Hours of LeMons24 Hours of Lemons – this racing series changed the capitalization of one letter down to lower case (the "M" in Lemons) back in November, 2016. I would normally move the page, but it won't let me because the name isn't different (page already existis). Jcordle (talk) 02:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Protests in Minneapolis regarding the trial of Derek ChauvinProtests regarding the trial of Derek Chauvin – I am starting this section to begin a discussion about what this article should be titled. I have read that there were protests about Chauvin in multiple cities, and that "Derek Chauvin protests" would lead readers to believe that the article discussed support for Chauvin. For these reasons, I favor "Protests regarding the trial of Derek Chauvin", but I am more than interested in hearing other opinions and suggestions for article titles. Jax 0677 (talk) 00:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. SkyWarrior 01:56, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

November 21, 2021

  • (Discuss)Battle of Smolensk (1943)Smolensk operation – The term "Battle of Smolensk" in reliable English language sources appears to refer exclusively (or almost exclusively) to the 1941 battle. Even searches like "Battle of Smolensk" "September 1943" return almost exclusively results where "Battle of Smolensk" refers to the 1941 battle. In contrast, "Smolensk operation" refers mostly to the 1943 operation with no results for the 1941 battle. This article already primarily uses the term "Smolensk operation" and the article subject is not a single battle but rather an entire offensive operation. From Google Scholar it appears that most sources lowercase "operation". (t · c) buidhe 10:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hori-san to Miyamura-kunHorimiya – While the official title of the series as a whole is "Hori-san to Miyamura-kun", the short name "Horimiya" appears to be more commonly used. It's the official name for the manga adaptation of the web comic, as well as the official title of the anime and live-action drama (as seen the URL of their respective sites). The anime community also seems to refer to it as "Horimiya" more often than by the full title, as seen by how the short title has more Google hits than the long form. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 09:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Area code 602Area codes 602, 480, and 623This is a combination merger and requested move discussion and will be tagged as a merge from Area code 480 and Area code 623. In November 2021, the Arizona Corporation Commission approved a proposal from the state's telecommunications industry, received as part of relief planning for area code 480, to erase the geographic boundaries between 602, 480, and 623 in 2023 in lieu of the otherwise necessary assignment of two new area codes in three years to this area. While that may seem some distance off, the fact is that improving these three pages on a standalone basis will result immediately in much the same article in triplicate, as the present AC boundaries were created as the result of one three-way split event in 1999. The current pages could stand to have citations improved. Readers will be better served by one improved, well cited article covering these area codes in advance of the 2023 boundary elimination, not the maintenance of three separate pages covering much the same ground. (Area codes 213 and 323 was merged from two prior pages in 2017 after a similar action combined two separate area codes into an overlay complex, so there is precedent for the merger.) Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 05:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 08:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)LuluwaAclima – Aclima (and/or Kalmana) seems the most popular name in sources on this page, and is also the standard name used elsewhere on Wikipedia (e.g. the template used on this page). It was also the original name of the article, before being moved to Luluwa for unclear reasons Ar2332 (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 08:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)German Somali CoastGerman attempts to colonize the Somali Coast – As far as I am aware, "German Somali Coast" is not a phrase in common use. I get just over 300 hits for it on Google. What this article is about is German colonization of the Somali coast - so that's what the name should indicate. The German article is "German colonial efforts on the Somali coast", which strikes me as a "Germanicism" and not idiomatic English. "German colonial expeditions to the Somali coast" sounds idiomatic but might be too restrictive. (It accurately describes the content of the German wikipedia page, but I don't know if that's all there is to the history here.) I don't have any strong preferences here - except that it really should not remain "German Somali Coast". asilvering (talk) 08:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)OsteopathyOsteopathy (nonmedical practice) – Practitioners of osteopathy and practitioners of osteopathic medicine are differently categorized by the ILO; their schooling, training, and professions are separate. This difference must be clearly noted. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. ORdeDocsaab (talk) 08:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Osteopathic medicine in the United StatesOsteopathic Medicine – Practitioners of osteopathy are categorized differently than practitioners of osteopathic medicine by the ILO; clear difference must be made between these two unrelated professions. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. ORdeDocsaab (talk) 07:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Enough! The Word Belongs To The People!Yeter! Söz Milletindir! – Recently created article on a slogan in Turkish politics. I find half a dozen English-language sources talking about it on Google Books, and they all have slightly-different English translations. There is no common name in English and we should use the actual (Turkish-language) slogan as the article title. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 21:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kiev Day and NightKyiv Day and Night – I propose to use spelling "Kyiv" as the name of the city in the title, which is being used by reliable sources and is supported by the current consensus. The previous move was reverted with the reasoning that "The English sources write the TV show as "Kiev" Day and Night". However, none of the provided sources seem to classify as "english sources" to me: * [1] is not available anymore, however on the main page the website is titled "NewsBeezer; Be Upto Date With Latest News". I doubt that a website with a grammatical error in the title qualifies as a reliable source. * [2] is a video by Alexandr Shevchenko, who doesn't appear to be a native English speaker. * [3] is literally a machine translation of an article in Russian. Trying a web search to find a reliable source in English wasn't fruitful for me: aside from a bunch of the fan pages (supporting both Kyiv[4][5][6] and Kiev[7][8][9] spelling), all results were related to literally days and nights in Kyiv, not to the show. The show's page on the broadcaster's website isn't available in English, however its URL uses the "Kyiv" spelling ( Overall, there seem to be no reliable English sources, in particular, no reliable English sources supporting the independent usage of "Kiev Day and Night" in English (as opposed to a translation). Therefore, this article should follow the general rules on Kyiv/Kiev naming. Exlevan (talk) 00:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

November 20, 2021

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  • (Discuss)Sri Venkateswara Swami Vaari TempleVenkateswara Temple – Procedural nom; page moved without discussion following the recent RM. I closed that RM on the topic of parenthetical disambiguation; none of the involved editors made an argument about the common name of this place. Thus I do not see consensus to revert the last move without further discussion. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 03:52, 12 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:50, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Google TVGoogle TV (service) – The "Google TV" brand is used to refer to three different things: a VOD service formerly known as Google Play Movies & TV (currently located at Google TV), an updated interface of Android TV often used interchangeably with the aforementioned app (currently located at Android TV § Google TV interface), and a defunct operating system for smart TVs axed in 2014 and sometimes confused for the aforementioned interface (currently located at Google TV (operating system)). A quick Google search for "Google TV" indicates that most people are looking for the Android TV interface (because it's the newest), but I'm not convinced that's there is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC among the three terms, plus I think pointing Google TV to the Android TV interface would only result in more confusion for casual readers. Just look at the numerous past discussions above. Therefore, I propose that this article be moved to Google TV (service), while Google TV becomes a WP:DAB page listing all three uses. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:49, 20 November 2021 (UTC)


  • (Discuss)CFS CarpDiefenbunker – The common name of this bunker is "Diefenbunker" not the acronym "CFS Carp" of the official military name "Canadian Forces Station Carp", The article should be moved to the name "Diefenbunker"! I made a post on the articles talk page to discuss the Move and their was no one against the Move. Thank you ChanziP (talk) 18:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Badal SarkarBadal Sircar – The subject is know in English context as Sircar, which is nothing but a varied method of transliteration. I googled to find that if you search "Playwright Badal", almost all results spell him Sircar. But Sarkar is also not an isolated one. Above all, I know not much about the subject myself, so I think familiar people should make a better judgment Appu (talk) 12:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC) Appu (talk) 12:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 01:12, 8 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 20:00, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jaggi VasudevSadhguru – Jaggi Vasudev is actually overwhelmingly referred to as "Sadhguru" in news articles, print publications, and almost all other outlets. Since "Sadhguru" is generally not a proper name used by any other people and is definitely distinct from Satguru, "Sadhguru" would not be an inappropriate title for the article "replacing" other people with similar names. He's a really well-known guy all over the world, not just in India, and a Google search shows that everyone calls him "Sadhguru." Similarly, Bono, Jay-Z, Akon, and thousands of other artists are typically not referred to by their birth names, but rather overwhelmingly by their stage names. The article name is already "Sadhguru" in many languages. Please see d:Q793985: *Arabic: ar:سادجورو *French: fr:Sadhguru *Slovak: sk:Sadhguru *Chinese: zh:萨古鲁 *and more As a result, "Sadhguru" would be consistent with what the article is already called in many other languages. Also if you're curious, I'm actually not part of Sadhguru's movement at all. I'm a regular American guy who is just into Hinduism, particularly the Hare Krishna movement (which Sadhguru doesn't identify with at all), but have seen Sadhguru's videos and talks a lot online, and I've noticed that every time he is referred to as Sadhguru, not as Jaggi Vasudev. Softyleonito421 (talk) 22:10, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

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